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amberk Said,
June 28th, 2008 @4:05 pm  

Yelp does what it does in order to try to keep spammers out. I think the intent is correct but the execution is poor. The main problem with Yelp is that it doesn’t tell the users or the business owners what they consider to be high quality reviews, so when it removes reviews, its actions end up appearing haphazard and random.
I had posted 3 yelp reviews about 3 or 4 years ago. After awhile, all of my reviews were removed; even my account was removed. I found that to be extremely irritating because I had spent time writing about some experiences that I had really enjoyed. My guess is that my account was flagged as spam because the email address that I had used as a login eventually became deactivated due to lack of use.
Anyways, unless Yelp improves its communications with users and business owners, it will continue to piss people off, and it will continue to create openings for competition to enter.

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sarahwert Said,
November 5th, 2008 @11:49 am  

I’m so glad to find this review of yelp. I am a small business owner. I launched my company in April of 2008 and it’s been hard to get going without the help of places like yelp. Several of my first clients (I’m a children’s photographer) posted reviews of my work. They naturally gave me all 5 stars because they were pleased with my work. Out of 5 reviews over a period of about 6 months, all but one of them has been removed. It’s totally ridiculous. I asked people to leave reviews but certainly didn’t ask them to lie or give me 5 stars. If I search for the member who wrote them on yelp, it’s there but it’s just not linked up with my business. How frustrating! Thank you for posting this. What a disappointment for small business owners.

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February 19th, 2009 @4:11 pm  

Howdy,

I am a co-creator for Indylist.org, a Yelp competitor that only supports local independently owned businesses. I’ve heard a lot of rumors flying around in regard to the ethics of Yelp. I have only looked at this as a way to learn ‘how not to do business’. Our focus currently is just the Chicago area now but in about a month we will be launching nationwide. I took the liberty of adding your dojo to the website and hope that you will find a better home there. Your students are more than welcome to sign up on the website and leave reviews, I promise we will not delete them :) I hope that we can be a much better, more personal, alternative to Yelp for you. And if you have any ideas on how we can work together, or make the website better, please feel free to contact me anytime!

P.S. I saw that your a developer too, you don’t happen to have experience with Ruby on Rails? That’s what Indylist is written in and currently my roommate is our only developer, we are looking for another to help lighten the load!

P.P.S. I saw a photo from your flickr feed of you backstage at Cirque Du Soleil’s KA. I absolutely loved that show, it’s my favorite Cirque show to date.

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trentimus Said,
February 19th, 2009 @4:35 pm  

I wanted to take a second to thank you for bringing to people’s attention something that has frustrated me so much over the past year. I recently opened a store on the south side of Chicago and we relied completely on word of mouth to spread the buzz. At one time I was getting over half of my web traffic from Yelp! (I still get around 30%) and Yelp! started to contact me about becoming a paid business. Our reviews also disappeared and the review they pick as most relevant (which doesn’t make sense considering most of the time it is an older review with fewer votes). When we were told we could pay every month to have a featured review and show up at the top of the search it sounded tempting but it really goes against the whole credo the site pushes. I was once an avid Yelper, 2 years elite, but now I don’t both using the site except to check reviews of my store. As a small business owner It is a double edged sword – we get a TON of business from Yelp but all it takes is a couple bad / irrelevant reviews and my business could drop. It makes the $200/month or so they want to sort reviews a lot more tempting.

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NHerite Said,
February 20th, 2009 @9:21 am  

Your first mistake was relying on third party reviews, written by people whom you do not personally know, to make up your own mind. Some of us don’t listen to the people we do know – our parents, children, spouses and best friends. Why should we give any more credibility to those whom we do not know at all? Why in the world would I believe your wife’s review of anything, for example? Her elite status means nothing to me, and others like me.

Your second mistake – the assumption that having more glowing reviews than the next guy, on a site like Yelp, is somehow better. There is a sucker born every minute, and many consumers undoubtedly believe everything they read on sites such as Yelp. I do not. So I ask – are you after the gullible and ignorant customers, or the educated and informed customers? Let your competition have the ones who believe everything they read. Those are not the people you want as customers.

A reputable martial arts school in Chicago need only find a relatively small number of higher quality customers who are intelligent enough to separate the wheat from the chaff on their own without the aid of Yelp-like sites. An intelligent customer would visit your facility in person and speak with you, and perhaps sit in on a class or two, before making a decision. You are, after all, a local business catering to locals. You have an advantage that non-local online businesses do not.

I have read restaurant reviews that could not be further from the truth…or at least the “truth” as defined by my own personal experience once I visited the restaurant and finished a meal on my own.

I have watched movies after reading horrible reviews only to discover that I did not agree with the reviews.

Pek, I have a Yelp account and I wrote 1 or 2 reviews and read several. Then I stopped when I realized it was pointless. I have not returned to the site.

There are no shortcuts for personal experience. And one man’s trash is, indeed, another man’s treasure. The best customers know that. And the best businesses tap into that. Forget Yelp and the others. In the end, you do not need them. They need you.

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l8rdrew Said,
February 20th, 2009 @9:55 am  

Your reviews weren’t removed. They were hidden on the business page. If you were to read the site, you would know that Yelp has a filter that hides the reviews of untrustworthy users – most commonly, people who create an account to write one review (favorable or not). Because that’s called SPAM! to those of us who regularly participate in the yelp community. It doesn’t look real, and I have no clue as to whether that really is a student or if it’s you (the owner) creating 28 new accounts to leave lots of nice words about your school.

They can reappear over time. As my reviews did, after I logged back in and became more active on the site.

Yelp is providing a free service for all businesses, and helping consumers find the best local businesses. It’s frustrating, because it’s not as cut and dry as you want it to be, but it is what it is, and it’s greatly appreciated by many! The challenge will be finding the balance, but as we’re seeing – Yelp is sticking to its’ guns.

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Pek Said,
February 20th, 2009 @10:27 pm  

Hi Justin,

Thanks for the comment. I’ll take a look at your site and encourage our students to review us there too.

I think definitely someone should capitalize on all of Yelp’s bad press and do it “the right way”. Kudos to you guys.

PS – I am a developer, but sorry, no I am not available to do other work. I’m pretty busy as it is trying to get other projects off the ground.

PS. Ka is an awesome show. One of my old masters has been performing now for years – hence the backstage pics.

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Pek Said,
February 20th, 2009 @10:32 pm  

Hi trentimus

Don’t give in. It’s basically online racketeering. I think Yelp has an opportunity to do it right but it just seems like this sort of strong arming behavior is not only condoned but encouraged. Encourage your customers to write reviews in other locations as well – such as Yahoo Maps or Google Maps.

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Pek Said,
February 20th, 2009 @10:47 pm  

NHerite,

I think the whole premise of Yelp is that the reviews are from real people as is. It’s not some food critique or a paid reviewer. I think Yelp’s initial success speaks volumes that people in general trust other people to do the right thing and write honest reviews. It’s what makes Yelp work in the first place. Now if you don’t think that is true, you’re welcome not to use them.

People read reviews because they want to get an impression of the food or service. With a large number of reviews, people get a better impression. That’s why people like sites like rottentomatoes – they aggregate reviews. It’s not just some guy paid by a newspaper to go to different restaurants. I don’t think it’s wrong or stupid of people to make a decision based on a multitude of reviews by “real people”. People need to make an informed decision and whatever material is out there to help them make that decision, the better.

I do agree with you that people in general trust reviews of people they know. But what if I DON’T know anyone who’s been to this one restaurant I want to try. Who should I trust? Zagat? Maybe. But I’d rather see what other folks like me have to say. Now if those reviews have been manipulated or tampered with or construed in anyway as to no longer really reflecting the true sentiments of the people who contribute to the site – I take issue with that.

If you think everyone who comes to Yelp is a gullible sucker you are certainly entitled to your opinion. I do not think that the majority of the people who take the time to write a well thought out review on Yelp are trying to push any agenda. Maybe I am just too idealistic and naive. I also do not think that the average person who comes to Yelp looking for reviews is that sucker. If anything, coming to Yelp shows me that they want to be a well informed consumer. The best way to do that is to read testimonials – which is what those reviews are. I could have the parents and students testimonials on my site – which I do, but Yelp gets way more traffic and I could stand to benefit from that. It’s just another channel for people to find me. I dont see why you think I’m trying to trick people into my school. If Yelp helps people get their foot in the door, I’m all for it. What I am NOT for is this mafioso behavior of – “your good reviews *might* go to the bottom or disappear if you don’t pay us” – or “we can’t guarantee that more negative reviews won’t show up if you don’t pay us” type extortion threats.

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Pek Said,
February 20th, 2009 @10:51 pm  

Hi l8rdrew

The end result is the same. I had 28 reviews and now I have 16. I don’t know where the reviews are, how to get to them, or how to get them back. People took the time to write them and it blows PERIOD. It’s been years and they HAVE NOT reappeared over time.

Yelp had many chances to do the right thing and now with all the bad press they’re getting, it would be too little too late even if they did restore people’s removed reviews. However based on how they’ve been handling things, I don’t see that changing.

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April 8th, 2009 @5:15 pm  

The same exact thing happened to our small business. For some reason yelp.com will only keep on the two lowest reviews that we’ve ever had (a one star and a three star). I’ve watched over a dozen reviews, all four star and above come and go and I just don’t understand it. I’ve tried to contact them and I get the same cookie-cutter responses mentioned in the article. It’s really too bad that yelp.com has turned out to be so unethical. Oh well, bad karma for them :(

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frost77 Said,
April 25th, 2009 @12:12 am  

We had the same experience: I was helping my wife promote her hair salon business which is in West Hollywood online. Even though she has been in business many years, she just started using the internet to get the word out.
Long time customers by their own free will wrote articulate reviews and gave my wife 5 stars. All reviews were honest accounts based on their personal experiences.
Within a month Yelp removed 7 of 9 reviews.
What a sham and disappointment Yelp has become. This is not creating a sense of community regardless if reviewers have only written one review. There is no reason to penalize them or the business they are writing about.

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Pek Pongpaet is an internet entrepreneur. Pongpaet’s expertise ranges from product design and development, user experience, and martial arts. Pongpaet worked at Accenture Technology Labs in the research department coming up with next generation user interfaces. At Roundarch, a technology and strategy consulting firm, Pongpaet’s work included envisioning and designing the dashboard of the future for the Tesla Model S electric car. He has given talks at Northwestern University, DePaul University, and University of Chicago on topics such as Design, Innovation, Technology, and Entrepreneurship.

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